Jai Swamy, he says. Are you behaving as the soul or not? How to behave as the soul, brother? Self-doubt. It's easy for you. Huh? Are you behaving or are you making Vyapak Swami behave? How to behave as the soul, brother, tell me? To act according to the command means the soul. Huh? Don't go back and forth from the command. Both behaviors are the same. He fasts. Self-feeling and body-feeling. Any action increases both. Either it increases the self-feeling or it increases the body-feeling. What is self-feeling called? He acts according to the command of the holy scriptures and the holy person. It is said in the Gita. What are the characteristics of the soul? Humility, absence of hypocrisy. All of them are without pride, without delusion, without taste, without greed. All these are the characteristics of the soul: tastelessness, detachment, and so on. These are the characteristics in the present, it's not that they belong to the present. All those are the characteristics of the soul. If he engages in that activity, it is called self-behavior. So, the command of God is also included in it. If he engages in that activity, it is called self-behavior. If he fasts and pays attention to it, then it becomes self-activity. It is said to worship God by becoming the soul, isn't it? Thus, there is self-activity. And there is an activity of body-consciousness. When any person performs an action, both body-consciousness and soul-consciousness can increase. Whoever keeps the connection, that increases. Whoever connects. When King Janak was in power, he increased his self-awareness. And when Saubhari Rishi was performing penance, he increased his body-consciousness. Does body-consciousness increase or self-consciousness increase while performing penance? Huh? And if he rules, does self-consciousness increase or body-consciousness increase? You have become a boss, like Atmaswami. So does body-consciousness increase or self-consciousness increase? What do you say? Huh? Body-consciousness increases. Then you will only get that in your share. Huh? What you want to increase, that increases. King Janak was a boss. So did he increase self-consciousness or body-consciousness? What did he increase? King Janak is considered very great among the self-realized. More than everyone, more than renunciants. So the nine Yogeshwaras picked up their white clothes and left, saying, "Let's go, that one is burning." So King Janak did not leave. So, the activity of self-consciousness and the activity of body-consciousness. You realize while performing the action. When sitting, one realizes whether this person is hypocritical or not? When does one realize? When do you know if this person is humble or proud? Huh? You'll know if you do something. Both are called actions, you understand. This is the action of the path of renunciation. To perform penance. To fast. To do spiritual practice. All those are actions. But all of them are prohibitive. If one performs prohibitive actions, does body-consciousness increase or self-consciousness increase? Huh? Self-consciousness should increase. Even then it doesn't increase. If he maintains the connection, then self-consciousness increases. I want to increase self-consciousness while performing penance, and what is self-consciousness called? While performing penance, do you become humble or do you become proud? Huh? Pride comes. If you don't pay attention, it comes. If you don't pay attention, then that will come. In whatever action. Then, even if we are performing this act of devotion, if we don't pay attention, only pride comes. If you pay attention, then service reduces pride. So this is the path of renunciation or the path of detachment. Actions of the path of renunciation and actions of the path of engagement. What was King Janak's activity? Just listening to stories. Right? What is the main thing called? Kingdom. Huh? Kingdom. To increase the treasury. And to increase power. 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Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → dharma dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → dharma dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → And what are the dharmas of the soul? To become humble. To become free from greed. To become tasteless. To become detached. All these are called the dharma dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → Renounce dharma dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → adharma adharma Unrighteousness. Immorality. Sin. The opposite of dharma, which causes dharma to decline. Tap to open in glossary → Renounce both. Yes. So it is said. That you renounce both dharma dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → adharma adharma Unrighteousness. Immorality. Sin. The opposite of dharma, which causes dharma to decline. Tap to open in glossary → Believe in one soul. To believe in the soul means? Believe in self-consciousness. The word 'atma' has two meanings. What? Body. Atma means oneself. He believes in himself. He doesn't believe anyone else. He believes only in the soul. If someone else says something, you don't have to believe it, do you? It is said in this that one should believe in the soul. Let's talk again. Renouncing all other objects except the soul, one should behave as the soul and worship God. To behave as the soul means, I am not the body, I am the soul. That's just a thought, it's not said to behave. What is it? Did he say thought or behavior? I am not the body, I am the soul, I am not all these, these are not my relatives, this is not mine, there is no caste, no lineage. That's the thought to have. The behavior of the soul is this. To become humble while behaving. When does one need to become humble? He becomes a boss. When he becomes a boss. After becoming a boss, one needs to become humble, right? Those poor people are already humble. Go, devotee, do this. But come running back. The devotee again runs away. But then if he makes you run? Atmaswami was told to come running. He changes his walk a little bit, as if running. We can't run much, you know. So, when does one need to become humble? When does one need to become tasteless? And when is it called behavior? When is it called behavior? There is a difference between behavior and thought, isn't there? When is it called behavior? In his circumstances, he remains tasteless. He remains humble. He remains detached. And if he remains free from greed, then it is said so in those circumstances. And King Janak used to engage in such activities, he would engage in activities of earning wealth and yet he was called detached. It is said that the behavior of the soul is detached, isn't it? And he engages in activities of happiness, and yet this happiness did not touch him, the happiness of this world did not touch him. He remained detached. In that way, he remained tasteless. Every day he used to make thirty-six kinds of dishes. King Janak used to make them. When Shukdevji came, he had done it, hadn't he? And even then, he remained tasteless. So, the activity of self-consciousness. And the activity of body-consciousness. Both are called activities. It doesn't work without activity. But which way to take it and which way to drive the car. In that, self-consciousness and body-consciousness are formed. If it is an act of renunciation, if it is penance, then he has increased body-consciousness in it. Even though Saubhari Rishi performed so much penance, he increased his body-consciousness. Finally, that was the result. And King Janak did so much activity that he increased his self-consciousness. It depends on what your target is. Activity is just a means. Then, whether it is an action of the path of renunciation, an activity of the path of renunciation, or an activity of the path of engagement. That is just a means. What to do from that, that is to be done. Who is the true renunciant? Who is the true renunciant? One who behaves as the soul is a true renunciant. One who behaves as the soul is a true renunciant. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. 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