Furthermore, those who are devotees of Bhagwan either have the attribute of knowledge or the attribute of love. Among them, those who have the attribute of knowledge understand the immense greatness of Bhagwan, and those who have the attribute of love... Not everyone is connected to Bhagwan in the same way. They are connected according to their own nature, aren't they? Either they have the attribute of knowledge. The attribute of knowledge means the attribute of greatness. Or else, the attribute of love. If they can sacrifice everything for Maharaj, then that is called the attribute of love. Even if Maharaj troubles us in any way, and it doesn't bother us, then that is called the attribute of knowledge. If there is greatness, then one can tolerate anything, right? If there is no greatness, how can one tolerate? Either there is greatness or there is love, then one can tolerate. If there is neither greatness nor love, and one is dry, then if someone pulls his ears, will he make a sound? He will leave. What did Maharaj say? That if there is a bag here, ask for the bag here, then you will start getting the bag of the home. So they say, we have a bag there too. Is it only here that there is a bag? You will start getting the bag of the home. Among them, those who have the attribute of knowledge understand the immense greatness of Bhagwan, and those who have the attribute of love cannot live without Bhagwan even for half a moment. Even if they beat them up, they do not separate, that is called love. Even if there is no greatness, but even if they beat them up, they have love, that is called love. In this world, if people fall in love with each other, they die for each other, don't they? Do they have greatness? Huh? In this world, if young boys and girls fall in love with each other and die for each other, do they have greatness? Then? They have love. Love means they die, they get beaten. Like that. Similarly, either they have blind love for Bhagwan, or they have love for a devotee of Bhagwan, or they have love for those who love Bhagwan, or they have love for Bhagwan, then no matter how much they get beaten or die, they don't mind. Isn't it like this somewhere in this world? Everyone in the world has love. Is there greatness of the family in the family? That, oh, we worship the family, we feed the family, and so we attain this. What is attained is beatings. What else is attained? But then why do they get beaten? Because there is love, they get beaten. Yes. That is like our Jignesh and our Sagar. Our Jignesh and Sagar face Visnagar together. So because there is love, a person gets beaten. He has no greatness. Similarly, if he falls in love with Bhagwan, then while loving Bhagwan, even if someone beats him up, his love does not go away. Even if he dies, even if he dies, like, if not in this birth, then in the next birth we will love. Like that. But they do not separate. Just as water does not separate when struck with a stick, no matter how many obstacles come, still he does not wish to be separated from it, then that is called love. And either there is greatness. If there is greatness, then all this world becomes like a mere straw. Then who would object to his connecting with Bhagwan? So in Bhagwan, that is the preparation before connecting with Bhagwan, that if we want to connect with Bhagwan constantly, what do we need? Then we need this means. After connecting constantly with Bhagwan, how to remain stable? After connecting constantly with Bhagwan, how do we remain stable continuously? So either there is greatness or there is love, then one can remain stable. Actually, it seems both are the same. It is like two sides of a coin. The difference is only this, that the other is the pre-preparation before connecting, and this is the preparation after connecting. Who can be the medium in connecting, who can be the media in remaining stable for a long time? So either the attribute of love or the attribute of knowledge, the attribute of greatness. And if obstacles come in connecting, then how to overcome those obstacles? So in overcoming obstacles, those become the means. And in connecting, these two become the means. Both are otherwise similar to each other. Those who overcome obstacles before connecting with Bhagwan, they are the ones who overcome them after connecting, aren't they? They are the ones who overcome them. But still there is a slight difference. After connecting, the greatness of Maharaj should be understood, then it is enjoyable to connect together and one gets the taste of connecting. And either he has love in it, then it is enjoyable to connect with Maharaj. At first, when he is not even connected yet, there is no question of enjoyment. Until then, it is about breaking the enjoyment of the world. It is about breaking the enjoyment of the body. So, Among them, those who have the attribute of knowledge understand the immense greatness of Bhagwan, and those who have the attribute of love cannot live without Bhagwan even for half a moment. Those with the attribute of knowledge are Jinabhai, Devram, and Prabhashankar. There is that incident of Prabhashankar, isn't there? While he was getting married, Maharaj's letter arrived. Maharaj's letter arrived saying, whatever work you are doing, come, come here to me. So while getting married, he left from there. What did he understand? Huh? What greatness did he understand? What greatness did he understand, Bhagat? While getting married, Maharaj's letter came and he left, so what greatness did he understand? Marriage is always, oh, how many times, 84 lakh times we must have married. And does Maharaj's letter come 84 lakh times? Do we get Maharaj's service 84 lakh times? Maharaj's service is obtained only once. And if we do not do Maharaj's service, then marriage is always there. One has to be troubled, is marrying about being troubled or enjoying? Then what? Tell Mahesh. Tell our Ruchit. So that is called greatness. He must have thought in his mind that, oh, Maharaj's letter has come, so marriage is always there. And after marrying, one is troubled, Maharaj's letter has come, so it is about being happy. Are both the same? Not considering both as equal is called greatness. We must do Maharaj's service, and you want to go into the world and serve the family, so both are not equal. This is what frees us from birth and death, it takes us to the abode of Bhagwan. And that other beating, even if it is not there, it takes us along with it to hell. It takes us to the 84 hells. He also works hard his whole life, and this one also works hard his whole life. One works hard his whole life in the service of Bhagwan, and the other works hard his whole life in the service of the family. What is the fruit of both? The fruit of one is bondage and the fruit of the other is liberation. The fruit of one is beatings, even if there is bondage, it doesn't matter. We make the children and wives here somewhat accustomed to it by beating them. Then if we have to take the beatings of Yam Yam Restraint. First step of ashtãng-yog, which involves moral living for purity of mind and unobstructed concentration. Tap to open in glossary → then they say, Jesang Bhagat. Look, everyone starts bowing to him. They start bowing and worshipping and, what do you want, Swami? Tell us what is in your mind. Then this Swami again speaks confusingly. That, in our mind, this has been churning for so long, it is not getting fulfilled, so fulfill it. He has not done service yet, he has just started to do it. There, everyone started worshipping, see. And they started serving, everyone started serving us. Everyone serves us, don't they? Or not? What is that, Swami? Do they serve that brother or not? So why do they do that? Why do they do it? Because he has started to do the service of Bhagwan. Whether he has done it or not, he doesn't know much. He just thinks that, oh, this Swami has started to do the service of Bhagwan. Now, whether Swami does it or not, they don't know much, if they find out, they will run away. So why do they serve you? That, because this Swami serves Bhagwan, if we serve him, our work is done. If they find out that this Swami does nothing, and is just a fraud, then? Then they will run away. So is there any difference between the service of Bhagwan and the service of the world? That is called greatness. Not the greatness of Bhagwan and the greatness of others, but the greatness of Bhagwan's service and the greatness of others' service, how much difference is there, that is called greatness. And if there is love? He does not separate at all. What does not happen means what? For his sake, no matter how much he gets beaten, still he does not separate. He does not step back. So, that Maharaj was sitting and all the devotees were sitting, so Maharaj wished to spit. So Sura Khachar had tied his turban, it was a valuable turban, a turban of ₹500 or ₹1000, so he took it off immediately. Maharaj, spit in this. Oh, Maharaj said, can one spit in this? He said, Maharaj, for us it is fine. If our child is sitting in our lap and his mucus has come out, with what do we wipe it? Huh? With what does a householder wipe it? Mostly, in the old days they used to tie a cloth, so they would take the end of the cloth and wipe the mucus. And if there is nothing, they would wipe it with the hem of the shirt. Not the child's shirt, though. For us, this is always fine. For us, this is fine. Now, if you spit, how is that any different? We even wipe the mucus of those children in this, so if you spit, Maharaj, what is the objection? That is called love. He gets beaten in the world for that, so this is a good deed, isn't it? How is it for you? So that is called, no matter what he does, he does not feel disgusted. Does one feel disgusted by a child? Why doesn't one feel disgusted? AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details