Swami, tell me, if a person performs selfless actions and selfless service, but considers himself the doer, then what problem arises? If one performs selfless service and selfless actions, but considers oneself the doer, The ego of doership and the intense desire for results are two sides of the same coin. If one renounces one of them, both are renounced. Even if one renounces the desire for results, the ego of doership is still there. And if one renounces the ego of doership, then one cannot desire results, thinking, "If I am not the doer, how can I have a right to the results?" So, the ego of doership and the attachment to results, these two are two sides of the same coin. One can do one of the two. Among these, renouncing the ego of doership is difficult, as God states further in the Gita. In these two, not having the ego of doership and believing that I am not the doer is a bit difficult, and it is not suitable for ordinary spiritual aspirants. But if we believe that we do not desire the fruits of our actions, then all of you believe that. And you do it, that you earn alone, and you feed ten people. So you only consider one-tenth of it as your doership. You feed ten people, and you believe that it is all for them. And if your son is enjoying himself and the father is working hard, then his mother will say, "Sons do that, don't they? You keep earning." So, that's how it is. So, the ego of doership. Swamiji's question is, you said that if one acts for the benefit of God and God's devotee, then the sense of being the enjoyer and the doer does not apply. But in some of our saints, it is observed that even when they perform service in that manner, they become attached to the action. So how should one understand that? In that, he has some hidden, unperceived self-interest, a hidden agenda. It's not something that is shown, but a hidden agenda is set within it, and when a hidden agenda is set, one becomes attached. If Maharaj were to uproot Brahmanand Swami from here and place him there, Brahmanand Swami would not object. If Maharaj were to uproot Govindanand Swami from here and place him there, he would not object. So, the hidden agenda, both of them were liberated souls. So, liberated souls sometimes, like Nan Bhagat, would say that if we have darshan darshan Seeing. To see with admiration and devotion. To see Bhagvãn, a sat-purush, and murtis, with inner or outer vision, with the intention of receiving their grace and blessings. By doing darshan properly a bhakta develops affection for Bhagvãn, and Bhagvãn develops affection for that bhakta. [Sãrangpur – 2]. Tap to open in glossary → satsang satsang 1) True company. The practice of associating with Bhagvãn’s sant, other satsangis, the ãtmã, and the sacred shãstras, and also observing vartmãns and niyams. 2) Also refers to the sampradãy, which is the presence of good company. Tap to open in glossary → That happens many times. So, the soul sometimes departs, that happens. So, his hidden agenda is something else, his silent intention is something else, and in the external action, everyone is obligated to follow the method. So, even if they are engaged in acts of charity, they get entangled in it. The reason is not the action itself, but their inner intention. If their inner intention is not pure, then this happens, otherwise it wouldn't. How can one know? The intention is hidden. How can others know? There is no need to know about others; we just need to purify ourselves. As for others, the one who needs the work done, for example, if service is to be done, and we do the service, then if someone has a hidden agenda, the one who is getting it done will know, because if the results don't come, they will wait, thinking that this result is coming, this result is coming. The steamer is supposed to arrive, but it got stuck somewhere else, or it became empty somewhere else. So, the ones who are getting it done will know. Everyone else won't know. It becomes known through behavior over a long time. There is another question, Swami, that if a person is selfless, but as a leader of an organization, under the influence or pressure of other envious individuals, misuses the resources of the organization or company, would that be considered a flaw in their selfless attitude or not? Because if they are doing it for the benefit of the organization, then they should not come under anyone's influence, like Shastriji Maharaj. It's a very long question, so please repeat it in parts so I can understand. So, if one is selfless, but in the work they do, they are pressured by others and the unit's resources are wasted in the wrong place, then is their selfless attitude considered complete or not? So, Maharaj has said that it is extremely bad to be suppressed by others. Maharaj has said this in the final verse of the scripture. Its meaning is that it is not good to be suppressed by weak people. That is why we give many examples, that Dronacharya Maharaj was such that he could make time tremble. But due to the need for bread, he remained suppressed by Duryodhana, so what did Duryodhana make him do? What did Duryodhana make him do? He performed a religious ritual, a yagna yagna Sacrificial worship. Ceremonial ritual performed as a form of worship to seek the good favour and receive the blessings of the devs. Different items, such as ghee, grains, wood, and spices, are offered into a sacred pit of fire in accordance with strict scriptural niyams with the chanting of mantras that are prescribed in the Veds. Tap to open in glossary → So, Wrong deeds. He made him do wrong things. To be suppressed by Duryodhana means to be ready to do wrong deeds. One has to be ready to do wrong deeds for him. And Lord Shri Krishna Krishna 1) An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in the svarup of a cowherd. This is considered to be a greater avatãr than the others, as Shree Krishna possessed all of the powers of Bhagvãn, whereas other avatãrs possessed less power. Shree Krishna conveyed the message of love and humanity to the world. Also, He recited the epic poem, the Bhagvad Geetã, to Arjun in which He stated: ‘Whenever dharma declines and adharma increases, I shall incarnate myself as a human to save the holy, to destroy the sin of the sinner, and to establish dharma. I come into being from yug to yug’. 2) In the Vachanãmrut, Shreeji Mahãrãj also uses the name “Shree Krishna” to describe Bhagvãn Purushottam Nãrãyan. Tap to open in glossary → It is done for Dharma Dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → Its attainment is Dharma Dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → So, to be suppressed by good people and to be suppressed by bad people, that is a difficult task. So, what is your question in that? If one acts with a selfless attitude, then is it considered selfless service or not? Dronacharya wanted nothing but bread. He didn't want anything else besides bread, but still, he was pressured by bread, meaning he was suppressed. So, wrong things often happen in such a difficult situation. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details