Then Shriji Maharaj said, "Even if one is ignorant and has taken the garb of a renunciant, their affection for their birthplace does not diminish." Saying this, he then showed everyone the scar on his thigh that he had gotten from a tree in his childhood. And he said, "When we see this mark, we remember that tree and the pond." Therefore, it is very difficult to forget one's birthplace and relatives from the heart. Therefore, those who do not remember their birthplace and bodily relatives, speak up. And those who do not speak out of shame are sworn by Shri Narnarayan. Then all the munis spoke as they felt. After hearing that, Shriji Maharaj said. When we consider ourselves as the atma, then what is the birthplace of that atma? And who is the relative of that atma? And what is the caste of that atma? And if one wants to consider relationships, and if one wants to consider relationships, then in the past, one has taken 8.4 million types of bodies. One should consider all of them as equal relatives. It's as if his descendants are also present now. If one has taken birth before. So, those who are in the mother's womb are all present now, aren't they? These are his children and grandchildren. These are all his relatives. If they are his descendants, then those are also the same. So, Nirgunanand Swami said that the entire universe is filled with relatives. Among animals and birds, some live for thousands of years. Among animals, We saw that mango tree, it must be 300-400 years old. We went on a pilgrimage once, didn't we? If we saw such a mango tree, how many places would its mangoes have grown, and how many places would its mangoes have grown? Even if we are there. So, he is considered his father. Even if he is there now. We don't feel sympathy for him, but we feel sympathy for this one birth. One feels like helping him, one feels sympathy for him. So, it's not that everyone feels that way, but they say that it's there now. Sympathy arises. And it doesn't happen to everyone; if it should happen, then it should happen to everyone. Everyone is equal. And if everyone feels that way towards everyone, then they would get tired. How many can you do? When you go out on the road, everyone feels sympathy. Someone or the other must have been related at some point. Maharaj says, if someone is ignorant and has taken the garb of a renunciant. What does ignorant mean? And whether we are ignorant or not. What does ignorant mean, brother? What does the devotee say? Who is called ignorant? And who is called understanding? Speak, Swamiji, what do you say? Who is called ignorant? Who is called? One who cannot distinguish between the body and the atma, that is. Even if he is a graduate. He may be a Shastri Purani. He may be well-educated. But if one cannot differentiate between the body and its relations, and the atma and its relations, then Maharaj says that person does not have faith in God. There is no affection for bodily relations, and no affection for the birthplace. The atma has no birthplace. The birthplace belongs to the body. That ancient King Prachinbarhi had filled the entire earth by performing yagnas, hadn't he? He has filled the entire earth by making it his birthplace. Not in any birthplace. He was not born anywhere. Say. He has filled the entire earth by making it his birthplace. So, he was not born anywhere. This one is a bit older, and this one is recent. So, the atma's birthplace, the atma's relations and the body's relations are different, and the atma's relations are different. If one does not know how to differentiate between them, then Maharaj says that affection for the birthplace does not go away. Just hearing it doesn't mean affection has developed. Maharaj says that one should understand them separately through knowledge and then discard them as false. It appears. To make it false. It won't go away otherwise. There is affection for relatives. It doesn't go away without that, there is affection for the birthplace, it goes away without that. And if one wants to consider relationships, then in the past, one has taken 8.4 million types of bodies. One should consider all of them as equal relatives. All birthplaces should be treated equally. If we build a temple in our birthplace, then we should build it in all lands. Saints build temples in their birthplaces, don't they? So, temples should be built everywhere for him. No place should be left empty except for a temple, because no place has been left empty except for the birthplace. It's like it's already happened before and after, one time it must have come. Even in Himmatnagar, our turn might have come sometime. We wanted to build a Hanumanji temple, but they refused. One should keep that much for the birthplace. And if you wish for the welfare of that relative, then wish for the welfare of all. And when one comes into this human body, if one wishes to help, if one wishes for welfare, then one should wish to help them, wish for their good, then one should wish for the good of all. Not just one. Don't do one and not the other. Without such understanding, that (affection) will not go away. And if we wish for the welfare of that relative, then we should make such a resolution, otherwise we should do the welfare of all our relatives. Nothing should be left behind. If we want to do it, then it's like that, otherwise we don't want to do it for anyone. They do that, let them do it, they will do it on their own. Oh devotee. We want to do good for everyone. All the bidders are relatives, someone will be related to someone someday, right? So, if we want to do that, we should do it here too, we should build a temple here too. And if you wish for the welfare of that relative, then wish for the welfare of all. And when one comes into this human body, the 8.4 million types of parents that are forgotten due to ignorance, similarly, the parents of this human body. Don't get scared after hearing all these things, okay? These are all the talks of saints. Don't tell Bapa again the next day. Then he goes there and says that the saint had said such things. And when one comes into this human body, the 8.4 million types of parents that are forgotten due to ignorance, similarly, the parents of this human body should be forgotten through knowledge. And we have no affection for any relatives. By knowledge means by understanding separately. The relations of the body and the relations of the atma. By understanding them separately, one should forget the other. Don't let it highlight too much inside. Many times, the highlight has already come inside, and then everything outside is kept closed. But don't let it highlight inside. And we have no affection for any relatives. And if someone serves us, but does not have devotion to God in their heart, then even if we show affection towards them, it will not be reciprocated. If there is devotion, it happens. But even then, if there is devotion in a relative, one might not want to do it. He is a very good devotee, even better than others. Don't keep it like that. And if someone is virtuous like Naradji but does not have devotion to God, then we do not like them. And it is said in whose heart. That even if one is ignorant and has taken the garb of a renunciant, their affection for their birthplace does not diminish. That is, there is a sense of identification with the body. One may have taken sannyasa, but the desire for the body does not leave the heart. As long as there is a sense of identification with the body. It doesn't go. When the feeling of atma comes, then everything becomes equal for him. He does hear, Maharaj says he hears us. Maharaj has said such a wonderful thing in this. That he hears us. And we are doing wrong like this. He hears, and yet he does wrong. It's not that he doesn't hear. Some people say that they don't hear us. Maharaj refused that. Some people say that they don't hear us. But Maharaj refused. Maharaj says, 'He does hear.' This scar, it's not like he doesn't hear it. But if you see some sign, then you hear it. So, even if one hears, not to create bondage, that is very important. Why doesn't he do it? Because he has kept the relations of both separate. The relation of the atma is different, and the relation of God's body is different. And when one transcends this and maintains a relationship with God, that is called nishtha (devotion). If one only has faith, then God will not bow down to him. If one breaks away from the body and has faith, then God bows down to him. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. 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