When the objective is to enjoy the pleasures of higher realms like heaven, then by performing auspicious deeds like yajna, one goes to the higher realms. After enjoying the divine pleasures there, when the merits are exhausted, one returns to the earth. That is not called yogabhrashta. That is called a prakrut jiva. After enjoying the divine pleasures there, when the merits are exhausted, one returns to the earth, meaning one rotates in the cycle of birth and death. So, what is the difference between the two? That one goes there to enjoy pleasures, and this one also goes, so he also had the desire for pleasures, so he goes there, so what is the difference between the two? The pleasures are the same for both. But one has the desire for moksha, and the other does not. But if there is a desire for moksha, what does it mean? He wants to go to God's abode, and the other one just wants to enjoy pleasures, only to enjoy pleasures, that's all. If there is a desire for moksha, then these pleasures should feel painful to him. He cannot leave them, but there must be some pain, right? That, 'Oh, we cannot leave this.' So, if it does not feel painful, then he is called a bhogi. Then he is not called yogabhrashta. He must feel the pain in his mind that, 'Oh, this...' Bharatji had pain even in the body of a deer. Even in the body of a deer, he lived by eating dry leaves and had cast off his body. So, there must be some pain, right? That, 'Oh, we are not like this, we have not become fit to go to God's abode, so we want to become so.' If there is no pain and we have comfortably come down, then he is not called yogabhrashta. That one also has the desire for pleasures, and this one also has the desire for pleasures. But the desire for pleasures that this one has, it pains him. It pains him. He feels sad about it, that 'This is not leaving me.' And the other one feels that, 'I got it, with great difficulty I got it, so it is good.' Only that much is the difference between the two. Nothing else, both go to the same realm, and both have the same pleasure that takes them there. Whose objective has remained only to attain God, but he has not been able to remove the desire for worldly pleasures, therefore, deviating from yoga, he goes to realms like heaven and enjoys the pleasures there. If one's shortcoming does not pain him, then he is not called a mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → Then he is not called a mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → Whose objective has remained only to attain God, but the desire for worldly pleasures... meaning in the realm of demigods also, it is like that. There are mumukshus also, and there are bhogis also. Even in Brahma's realm, there are mumukshus and bhogis. If one deviates from yoga here and goes there, does it not happen in both? Some have gone to enjoy pleasures, and some are to go higher through kramamukti. Yes, that's it. Similarly, in the realm of sadhus also, it is like that. In the realm of sadhus, it is not that all mumukshus have gathered together, like a swarm of wasps. 'We have come here, so it has become very good, now we don't have any other tension about food.' So, let's eat, drink, and enjoy. If there is no sadness within him, then he is not called a mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → That, 'I should achieve something in this very birth,' if there is nothing like that, then he is not called a mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → mumukshu mumukshu A person in search of moksh. Tap to open in glossary → When they come, all must be mumukshus, right? Whether they are or not, how to know? Everyone knows that. When they come, there might be some of it. But then, due to association and due to one's past desires, his track keeps changing. Even if one does not have past desires, if such association is found, still the track changes. And even if there is no past association, and it is good everywhere, still from within, the desires that pressure him, 'I will do only this, I will do only this,' then also a person changes. Whose objective, objective has remained only to attain God, but he has not been able to remove the desire for worldly pleasures, therefore, deviating from yoga, he goes to realms like heaven and enjoys the pleasures there, and then returns to take birth in a pure, wealthy family. There, he engages in completing the sadhana of his previous birth which had remained incomplete. Upon completion, he becomes liberated. Still, he does not go to God's abode immediately. Upon completion, he, the yogabhrashta, has come. He came to some sadhu's group or to a wealthy person's house, a householder's house. And if he gets proper suitability for sadhana for 25-30 years and gets some good association, then he quickly becomes free of desires and becomes jivanmukta. Still, the body does not fall immediately. The body falls only when the years written by God as prarabdha are completed. He goes to God's abode only then. Until then, he lives here. He enjoys. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details