Looking at it based on the scriptures, here, even in the presence of the body, as much as the body is separate, it is separate. And after the body falls, that work does not happen in the absence of the body. It means to separate from the body in the presence of the body. Gunatitanand Swami said to perform actions and while performing actions, to separate the mind from them. And do not become the action itself. In the same way, perform all actions with the body, but do not become the body. It's a bit difficult. If one keeps the connection, Gunatitanand Swami says that we keep saying this body is false, this body is false. And then we also keep nourishing it. But if one keeps doing wrong day after day, then when the day comes to separate from it, the shock will not be too great. So, as much as one can, one should keep falling with emotion. Then pride, the nature of action, all that will not come to him. And the समास (spiritual progress) keeps increasing, that's what Gunatitanand Swami says. If he keeps performing actions and simultaneously keeps separating himself, then he achieves great spiritual progress. So, he quickly understands Maharaj's principles. If one performs actions as the body, perhaps does seva, or bhakti bhakti Devotion to Bhagvãn. One of the four attributes of ekãntik dharma. There are nine types of bhakti: Tap to open in glossary → Only if he separates from it. When there is progress, it means there is benefit. Progress happens. When there is progress, it means it increases day by day. The glory of God becomes more understood. Such a state keeps growing. God becomes pleased. One gains strength to walk on the path of God. That's how it is. Progress happens. If one acts as the body, then there won't be much spiritual progress. And one does not achieve completeness. Looking at it based on the scriptures, here, even in the presence of the body, as much as the body is separate, it is separate, and the body The body has been released physically, there is nothing special about that. When a person dies, their body is released, but they don't become Brahmarup just like that. When the body is present, and one separates from it mentally, then one becomes Brahmarup. He went there, and there was no body, yet he felt like, "I am burning, I am burning." The light hadn't come yet, so he felt like, "I will burn now, what will happen?" So that is body-consciousness. And body-consciousness means to protect the body in any way. Among the demons, there is only pure body-consciousness. They consider the body itself as the soul. The body and soul are two different things, that's true, but they consider the body itself as the soul. They believe in two elements, but these two are one. So, among all the demons, there is only one thing. That I should not die. All the demons perform austerities. They perform austerities by using their different intellects. They ask by using different intellects. What did Ravana ask for? That I have no fear of monkeys or humans. So, he would not die by anyone else except them. He asked for that, so that is called his intelligence. But what did he ask for? What was he trying to say? Not to die. Not to die. What did Hiranyakashipu ask for? I should not die from those things. I should not die from these places. Day and night, he used his intelligence and saw that death could come from these places. So, he would not die from those places. Brahmaji said, "So be it, go." But time doesn't spare anyone; it finds a loophole anywhere. Time finds a loophole. So, that of a demon is called 'Dehatmavad' (identifying with the body). He is a Dehatmavadi (one who identifies with the body). There is a difference between Dehabhimani (one who is proud of the body) and Dehatmavadi (one who identifies with the body). There is a difference between 'vadi' (proponent) and 'mani' (one who believes), isn't there? To believe that 'I am the body' is called Dehabhimani (one who identifies with the body). To protect the body in any way, whether it is righteous or unrighteous, whatever comes to hand, that is called Dehatmavadi (one who identifies with the body). To nourish it, to protect it. Then don't look for any other path. Morality, immorality, righteousness, unrighteousness, justice, injustice, somehow complete the body's desires. So, he is a Dehatmavadi, meaning all demons are Dehatmavadis. Pure. They consider the body itself as the soul. Indra Indra The king of the devs. He resides in Svarg-Lok. Tap to open in glossary → So Brahmaji performed the ritual he had to perform and told him, "Go, this body is the soul." So Virochan became happy and gathered all the gods and demons, saying, "I have brought self-knowledge." Come everyone. Come listen to me. What is self-knowledge? This body is the soul. Feed it, make it drink, make it sleep, don't make it do any work. And then adorn it. That's it, self-knowledge has been attained. Indra Indra The king of the devs. He resides in Svarg-Lok. Tap to open in glossary → I have a doubt about this. So he went to Brahmaji to clear his doubt. Then Brahmaji explained something else to him, and gradually he understood true self-knowledge. And Virochan spread this among all the demons. So, the body is what I am. Nothing else. Nothing beyond that. Looking at it based on the scriptures, here, even in the presence of the body, as much as the body is separate, it is separate. And after the body falls, that work does not happen in the absence of the body. Furthermore, the scriptures also state that one separates from it only as much as one does in youth. In childhood, one doesn't know what the body is or what that is. Ignorance is more prevalent. In old age, one cannot perform its spiritual practices. One has to take care of the body out of necessity. Now, if one takes care of it, how can it be separated? One does not separate anew; one separates as much as one did in youth. In youth, if one has separated from the body and gained some experience through spiritual practice, or whatever belief one has, one separates to that extent. In old age, some people's devotion to the body increases, so how can they ever separate from it? Maharaj says Arjuna was a great warrior and brave. Arjuna had two vows: no humility and no retreat. That's how he was. It means to die but not to retreat. He was such a brave warrior. So, bravery is different. And self-devotion is different. Perhaps an ordinary person might be afraid, but even Arjuna, seeing the colossal form of God, could not remain patient. Therefore, worldly bravery is different, and the bravery of the tattva tattva An element. That which is produced from Mãyã. There are twenty-four tattvas that have evolved from Mãyã: the five gnãn-indriyas, the five karma-indriyas, the five prãns, and the four antah-karans. Tap to open in glossary → That is called the bravery of the tattva tattva An element. That which is produced from Mãyã. There are twenty-four tattvas that have evolved from Mãyã: the five gnãn-indriyas, the five karma-indriyas, the five prãns, and the four antah-karans. Tap to open in glossary → And from that comes completeness. This worldly bravery is clever at fighting. If someone wants to fight, no matter how great they are, they will fight with them. Even then, seeing the colossal form of God, he could not remain patient. Therefore, worldly bravery is different, and the bravery of the tattva tattva An element. That which is produced from Mãyã. There are twenty-four tattvas that have evolved from Mãyã: the five gnãn-indriyas, the five karma-indriyas, the five prãns, and the four antah-karans. Tap to open in glossary → It removes all incompleteness. It removes body-consciousness. Fear is only of body-consciousness. Whether it is in this world or the next. Whether in wakefulness or in samadhi. But it is the result of body-consciousness. Body-consciousness is present everywhere. Jaya and Vijaya were in God's abode. And his body is considered very powerful, isn't it? He could see in all three times. He could do whatever he wished. They were God's attendants, they could even overturn universes. So, if one can overturn the universe, does body-consciousness go away? Even if one overturns this universe and throws it upside down, body-consciousness does not go away. This dying is different, and body-consciousness is different. If one's own flies don't fly away from oneself, does one's body-consciousness go away? To shoo away flies, one has to keep someone else; if one falls ill, one cannot do it oneself. Then he separates from the body. One separates from the body, one separates from the body only when one practices as described in the scriptures. Otherwise, it doesn't happen. If one practices as described in the scriptures, as Maharaj has said, and as great saints have given guidance, and that practice happens only while alive. And that happens only at a young age. What practice does one do in old age? He practices taking care of the body. In old age, one practices taking care of the body. As much as one is independent in performing spiritual practices in a young age, that much body-consciousness arises. It's not that body-consciousness goes away by performing spiritual practices, or by performing a lot of penance. It's not that it goes away by doing a lot of service. On the contrary, it increases. If one is not careful. That is the only way. If you want to go, go this way. So, that's what these great saints said. He keeps performing spiritual practices and keeps separating himself from them. He separates from body-consciousness. He keeps performing service and mentally separates himself from the service. Then body-consciousness. And then he is considered complete, otherwise not. Body-consciousness is considered a part of the causal body, isn't it? Causal body. Body-consciousness is said to be in the causal body, isn't it? Causal body. He separates the gross body, but that. Causal body. Emotional bondage. And emotional bondage, the causal body, is of emotional bondage. This is my son, and this is my father, this is my brother, and this. So Maharaj said, after death, who is whose relative? But still, the emotion doesn't go away, does it? Even if a son dies, the father feels that he was his son. This relationship is what they call 'dvistha' (two-sided). This is 'dvistha'. The relationship is two-sided. Like that. But even if one end is destroyed, it is not destroyed as long as one exists. So, the relationship between the soul and the body is called body-consciousness. A strong bond is called body-consciousness. So, even if the body dies, a flaw comes in the soul, it remains caught, saying, "I have a body, I have a body," whenever it comes. Just as if someone's son has died, he feels that he was my son, he was my son, that doesn't end for the father. It happens in his mind. If the son is gone, then his father is considered to be no more, but it doesn't go away from his mind because in his mind he has the feeling that he was my son, my son, my son. And the son feels that my father, my father, my father. Fathers usually pass away when their children grow up. But still, the relationship he has with his father doesn't go away. Because that relationship sits in the mind. It sits in the jiva, it sits in the causal body. One has to uproot it from the causal body, saying that I have no relationship. The jiva has no relationship. And if there is, it is with God. The true relationship of the jiva is with God. "Mameivansho jivaloke jivabhuta sanatanah" (A part of Me, the eternal jiva, is in the world of jivas). The true relationship of the jiva is with God. The relationship is with God. Maharaj says that if you want to consider the body's relationships, consider 8.4 million types. And all of them are wandering ahead. So who knows? That here, we still don't believe it. So, if one knowingly renounces it, only then will one get the fruit. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details