And without knowledge and detachment, the subtle and causal bodies are not eradicated. And by devotion alone, they may or may not be eradicated. If it is extreme, they are eradicated. If it is not extreme, they are not eradicated. By mere knowledge and detachment, this subtle and causal body is not eradicated, meaning natures are not eradicated. Regarding nature, God said in the Gita that even a wise person acts according to their own nature. The restraint prescribed by the scriptures does not hold sway over it. It is not that nature is eradicated by mere knowledge. If a deep need arises in him, then his nature is eradicated. If a deep need for satsang satsang 1) True company. The practice of associating with Bhagvãn’s sant, other satsangis, the ãtmã, and the sacred shãstras, and also observing vartmãns and niyams. 2) Also refers to the sampradãy, which is the presence of good company. Tap to open in glossary → for God arises, if there is a deep need to perform seva, then his nature is eradicated. What if we have forced seva upon someone? Then what happens? Huh? No, the nature increases. The nature is not eradicated. If we do not have anyone, and we cannot manage without them, then? Then we have to do as they say. We have to do exactly as they tell us. Like, 'Hold your ears like this,' then not like that, but holding the ears with hands crossed like this. Then we have to hold our ears. Therefore, the nature increases. it does not decrease. So, through knowledge and detachment, nature sometimes indeed increases, it does not decrease. If there is a deep need, then nature decreases. If one has a hunger to perform seva of God, or to do bhakti bhakti Devotion to Bhagvãn. One of the four attributes of ekãntik dharma. There are nine types of bhakti: Tap to open in glossary → satsang satsang 1) True company. The practice of associating with Bhagvãn’s sant, other satsangis, the ãtmã, and the sacred shãstras, and also observing vartmãns and niyams. 2) Also refers to the sampradãy, which is the presence of good company. Tap to open in glossary → then his nature decreases. If he wants to decrease it, it decreases. Otherwise, it does not [decrease]. It is said that it does not decrease by devotion alone. If it is extreme, then it decreases. Extreme means deep need. What is extremeness in devotion? Doing more than everyone else. There might be one person, and if he is serving ten people, then? Is that called extreme devotion or not? What do you say? How many people do you serve? How many centers do you run? What is that of everyone's that you run? Brahmavidya. Do you run Brahmavidya for everyone? So if you run Brahmavidya for everyone, then you are doing it for a very large number of people. So is that called extreme? Is doing a lot called extreme, or what is it called? What do you say? Huh? If one maintains a deep need and ensures quality, then that is called extreme devotion. Then nature is eradicated. If I do more than everyone, then sometimes many natures gather together. We may have a great need. That, 'Brother, who will lift so much without him?' Therefore, a great need arises. When a great need arises, many natures increase. If we feel the need, then his nature, his nature increases, and if he feels the need, then our nature increases. So if all three attributes are present, then the causal body and subtle body are eradicated, is that not what was said? Knowledge, detachment, and devotion; meaning nature. And without knowledge and detachment, the subtle and causal bodies are not eradicated. And by devotion alone, they may or may not be eradicated. What is the meaning of 'they may or may not be eradicated'? That if there is extreme devotion, they are eradicated. If it is filled with a deep need, then his natures are eradicated. If devotion is without a deep need, even if it is very abundant, they are not eradicated. It is said that without knowledge and detachment, they are not eradicated. Huh? Without knowledge and detachment, they are not eradicated. So, without such knowledge and detachment, the subtle and causal bodies are not eradicated, and by devotion, they may or may not be eradicated. If they are eradicated by devotion, then by which devotion are they eradicated? The one with a deep need. If there is a deep need, they are eradicated. And if there is not, by which devotion are they not eradicated? If the other person, the one opposite, has the need, then our natures are not eradicated. Our natures increase. If there is knowledge and detachment, they naturally cause wear and tear. Sometimes, even if there is knowledge and detachment but no devotion, they are not eradicated. But in this, it is said that if there is knowledge and detachment, they are eradicated, but if they are genuine, they are eradicated. If they are not, they are not eradicated; that is how it is. In this, if all are detached men and yet are a storehouse of natures, what about that? Huh? They do not want anything. Lord Parshuram did not want anything, you see. He conquered all the Kshatriyas and gave the earth to the Brahmins, the entire earth. He himself just kept wandering with his chanting beads. Nothing at all. Durvasa also did not want anything. Have you seen Durvasa's ashram ashram 1) Stage of life. There are four ãshrams in total, each with their duties and responsibilities – brahm-chãrya, grahastha, vãnprasth, and sannyãs. 2) Hermitage. Place where tyãgis live. Tap to open in glossary → Huh? We have established ashrams—one, two, three, four. Likewise, have you seen Durvasa's ashram ashram 1) Stage of life. There are four ãshrams in total, each with their duties and responsibilities – brahm-chãrya, grahastha, vãnprasth, and sannyãs. 2) Hermitage. Place where tyãgis live. Tap to open in glossary → He did not want anything. But still, they are not eradicated, you see. Still, nature is not eradicated. Therefore, even if there is knowledge and detachment, sometimes nature is not eradicated. There may be great detachment. One may be a storehouse of detachment. And yet, at the same time, one becomes a storehouse of natures too. Therefore, only the one who has a deep need has their nature eradicated. The one who has a deep need for satsang satsang 1) True company. The practice of associating with Bhagvãn’s sant, other satsangis, the ãtmã, and the sacred shãstras, and also observing vartmãns and niyams. 2) Also refers to the sampradãy, which is the presence of good company. Tap to open in glossary → has a deep need to perform devotion and seva of God, then it is eradicated. If we perform seva of Maharaj, then is the one performing seva greater, or the one receiving seva greater? Huh? The one receiving. Why, we are making donations, aren't we? Are we called donors, or what are we called? What is the opposite of that called? Donee and donor. Huh? Donee and donor. Donee. So are we called donees or donors? Who is considered greater? Who is considered greater? Are those who receive seva greater, or those who give it greater? Are those who make donations greater, or those who receive them greater? Who is greater? In Maharaj's case, Maharaj is so great that Lakshmiji is His husband—Lakshmiji is His wife, He has everything, yet He accepts ours, so Maharaj is greater. Maharaj already has it. He accepts out of compassion for us. He accepts so that we may attain liberation. Shastriji Maharaj also used to say that. All of you perform seva, even if all of you leave, this Gurukul will still run. This is so that good happens to you, so we have no objection. Swami used to say that, because he was capable. We, however, fold our hands to everyone. 'Yes, Bapji, if you come, our work gets done,' 'and if you stay,' 'and if you do not stay,' like that. 'If you stay, our work gets done,' that is what we say. Swami used to say that. That, 'Even if all of you leave,' 'this Gurukul will still run.' 'And even if I myself leave this very moment for the Himalayas, nothing would obstruct me.' If they make us hold our ears, should we hold our ears, or should we do something else? If they are good, we should hold them; if they are not, we should not hold them. The ears must be proper and soft. Even if they are large like a donkey's ears, what benefit is that to us? None. If they are proper, soft, butter-like ears, they should definitely be held. It is seva, if seva of God is being performed, then those are not called ears [in a negative sense]. That is why we mentioned 'deep need' in it, to maintain a deep need. If it is mere donkey-labor, then it is called being made to hold one's ears. If it is donkey-labor and there is nothing to it, with nothing to be gained, then it is holding ears. That which leads to our, our soul's liberation, Maharaj says we must never let go of that. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details