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But there is a story in the Upanishads.

That Indra and Virochan both went to Brahmaji to study.

So Brahmaji said, "Go, graze these cows, serve the ashram." He made them perform penance.

He made them perform penance, and then they performed penance for almost 32 years.

After performing penance, both Indra and Virochan returned and said, "Grandfather, tell us about self-knowledge."

Tell us what spirituality is.

Tell us the essence of spirituality.

Tell us about self-knowledge. So grandfather said, "Self-knowledge, this body is the soul."

Just protect it.

Don't observe Ekadashi.

So protect it, feed it, give it drinks, adorn it, do that.

Then that is the soul.

So both of them went back to contemplate on it.

Both were going home.

So Virochan became very happy, and Indra had a doubt.

The soul that grandfather spoke of, this one gets sick.

And it dies, and we have heard that the soul does not get sick.

Its mood doesn't go up and down.

The soul remains in one mood.

But we have mood swings, don't we?

So, I've heard that its mood doesn't go up and down, so what should I understand about this?

So he had a doubt, and Indra came back.

And Virochan left.

Virochan left.

So it seems that the investigative tendency is itself mumukshutva (desire for liberation).

Of truth.

To research reality is the attitude of mumukshutva.

And to feel good about what is good, and to feel bad about what is bad, that is a divine sentiment.

If it is divine, then from a superficial perspective, even if it is a great demon, it seems good.

He performs very good yagnas.

He performs very good penance.

Then he realizes his inclination, that this is not a divine inclination, but a demonic one, yet he doesn't turn back.

So, being easily deceived at first glance is a divine sentiment.

And if one is a mumukshu, they will not be deceived.

That is its meaning.

That is its meaning.

What is the method of the scriptures, that brother,

God said that the four varnas were created by me based on guna and karma.

The ashrams that God created are based on past karma.

Speak.

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Varna

Of varna

Creation

Did

Is

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Past

Karma

Based on

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Is

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What

Based on

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And

Mumukshu

Mumukshutva

To him

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And

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Mumukshu

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All

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That

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Does

Is

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With

Mumukshutva

Mumukshutva

When

Say

Word

Comes

Right

Moktum

Ichchhu

Moktum

Jijnasu

To him

Curiosity

Is

Right

Is

To be placed

Of welfare

In curiosity

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Comes

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Comes

That

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True

Say

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Tally

Does

Right

So

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Word

Such

Is

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Such

Is

That

Mumukshu

Is placed

Where

Its

Tally

Does

Is

That

That

Research

Does

Is

That

We

Here

Are

Then

Is placed

Or

Here

Is

Then

Is placed

And

Divine

So

From

Satisfaction

Receives

Takes

Is

That

This

Very

Good

Is

So

Temporary

Good

Is

Then

Here

Divine

Mistakes

To fall

Possibility

True

If

His

Deep

Divine

Feeling

Is

Then

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When

To him

In intention

Something

That

Trouble

Appears

Then

To him

Then

Thought

Happens

Then

That much

His

Mumukshutva

Is called

Divine

Not

Is

Sometimes

Sometimes

Then

Among demons

Is

Mumukshu

Ripens

Is

Among demons

Is

Mumukshutva

Ripens

Is

Then

Mumukshu

Is

Then

He

Again

That

Becomes

Goes

Prahladji

He

Then

Of demon

In atmosphere

Is called

But

Prahlad

Is

He

Again

Divine

Soul

Is called

Of Prahlad

In life

His

Who

Mumukshutva

Only

Is called

But

Used

Not

Anyone

Word

Mumukshu

Word

But

Of Prahlad

In life

Who

His

Life

Flow

Is

That

Of mumukshutva

Based on

So much

All

In atmosphere

But

He

His

Wealth

Was

That

Divine

Was

Fearlessness

Purity

Purification

Knowledge

That

Science

Yoga

Support

Ray

Such

Something

Is

That

Meditation

Yoga

Knowledge

Yoga

Support

Hey

Knowledge

Yoga

Fearlessness

Purity

Purification

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