So, what should a leader be like? Are 'aagevan' (leader) and leader the same? Where? I thought... That is called political. That is called politics. Gandhiji was a leader, so where did Gandhiji play politics? Vallabhbhai Patel was a leader, so where did he play politics? Those who play politics are in politics. If you want to change it according to the times now, that's a different story. Those who play politics are in politics. They want to get it without any effort. In this, it is about leading. There is a whole group, where to lead them? So what did Maharaj say? There is that definition of a leader, level four and level five leader. What does a level four leader do? Thousands of helpers. Creates thousands of helpers. What does that mean? And what does a level five leader do? Thousands of leaders. Creates thousands of leaders. And that one creates thousands of helpers. What is the difference between the two? In helper, one is ahead of oneself, the rest are to remain behind. In that case, the leader is always ahead, the others are behind. No, in this, if he creates thousands of helpers and thousands of leaders, what is the difference between the two? The one who is level four joins in himself and that one joins in the mission. Thousands of helpers are those who help themselves. No one stands up to help God. A leader, a true leader, is not afraid that someone will become like him. He challenges them. Swaminarayan Bhagwan was a true leader. He is not afraid of someone else becoming big, He is happy. He wants to create leaders. And that one wants to make thousands of helpers. That you all support me. You don't become a leader as long as I am there. And as long as he is there, no one can become one, then no one can become one behind him. So level four and level five. If there is a level five leader, what is his characteristic? What is it? Prepares other leaders like himself. Like himself, how is he? Very simple. And will power and that selflessness. Will power and selflessness. He has no selfishness of his own. Gives credit to others. Ramchandraji Bhagwan was a true leader. So he held an assembly in Ayodhya and said that this Hanumanji, this Jambuvant, this Hanumanji killed this one, that one killed this one, that one killed this one. He did not say anything himself, he was not ready to take any credit himself. Wherever he gets a chance, he stands with his head held high, saying, 'Put this on me.' So he did not become a level five leader. He cannot lead others, and if he leads, he cannot join them in God. He is just standing with his head held high. So what does he lead others? What is to be done by leading? What is to be done by guiding in God? Here Maharaj said that he is fit to be a leader in satsang satsang 1) True company. The practice of associating with Bhagvãn’s sant, other satsangis, the ãtmã, and the sacred shãstras, and also observing vartmãns and niyams. 2) Also refers to the sampradãy, which is the presence of good company. Tap to open in glossary → On the other hand, Gandhiji, whatever he may be. Gandhiji used to wear a whole dhoti dhoti An unstitched, long piece of cloth traditionally worn by males as a lower garment. It is usually wound around the waist with one end tucked in after passing it between the legs. Also known as 'dhotiyu'. Tap to open in glossary → What is that called? Selflessness. And when India became independent, he did not fill the form. What if he had filled the form? Then who would have come? What if he had filled the form of Prime Minister? But he did not fill the form at all. That is called selflessness. Nothing for himself. Whatever he does, he does it for God. That is called attachment. If it is ordinary devotion, it does not come. There should be an extraordinary attachment to Maharaj. How do we know if he is attached to Maharaj or to himself? Where does he use the benefits of devotion? So he is ready to make helpers. He does not let anyone become a leader. He does not let anyone become a leader, he prepares helpers. He does not let anyone become a leader. He does not let anyone else become a leader, he does not let anyone become like him. Though, who can become like him, who is a true leader? No one can become like him. But his wish is that someone from this becomes one. Someone from this becomes one, does better than me. 'Sarvatra jayamanvicchet' (desire victory everywhere) and 'shishyat icchet parajayam' (desire defeat from disciple), 'putrat icchet parajayam' (desire defeat from son). Desire victory everywhere. But in these two places, desire defeat, so that those we lead become better than us. Become more than us, go one step ahead. He keeps as much as we advise him and then he has some of his own too. That much is added to it. So he is defeated by him. Then he is called a true leader. Who is such a leader? So if he is not attached to God, he is not fit to be a leader. Life is very good and pure. Nal, Ram, Yudhishthir. If someone takes his name, he becomes pure. Still Maharaj rejected him. Not a leader. Keep taking the name and keep becoming pure. What? Keep taking his name and keep becoming pure. But not a leader. A leader is one who has an extraordinary attachment to God, attachment to Maharaj. And one who is not attached to Maharaj, what good can he do to others? What good can he do to others? He eats up whatever good others have. Whatever good others do, he eats it up himself, he has become a leader just to eat. To take advantage of others' efforts is not called leadership. If such a benefit is available for free, he kicks it away and says, 'I only want the fruit of my effort.' That is called a leader. What is the meaning of selflessness? Selflessness means is there any other selfish motive in it? What is selflessness and what is selfish? What is selfish? If he cooks his own khichdi even in someone else's effort, he is called selfish. Even if someone else works hard, his own khichdi should be cooked. And if the khichdi is not cooked, he kicks the pot. Then he is called selfish. And this should be selflessness. He should be selfless. Is there selfishness even in joining God to God? If I join this one devotee to God, then, if it bears fruit, not happy, I will eat its fruit myself, not even God. Its fruit comes with it, right? These are trees. Some crop comes out of it. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. 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