After saying this much, Shreeji Maharaj returned to Dada Khachar's court and, sitting on a cot on the veranda of the room with the east-facing door, spoke thus: We have established this principle after listening to all the scriptures, and we have traveled everywhere on this earth and seen many realized souls (siddhas) there. Saying this, He narrated the stories of Gopaldasji and other sadhus. And then He said, "I believe that the worship (upasana) and meditation on the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → "I believe that" - what does that mean? It is in my experience. I believe so. I believe. I believe so. It means that others might not believe it. Others might not believe it. Others might believe that, like a dry Vedantin, one can become a siddha through upasana. Maharaj says, "We have not seen anyone." We have met so many siddhas. It is not that we have met ordinary people; we have met all the siddhas. But we have not seen anyone who became a siddha without upasana. We have not seen such a person. And we have traveled everywhere on this earth and seen many siddhas there. Saying this, He narrated the stories of Gopaldasji and other sadhus. And then He said, "I believe that without the upasana and meditation on the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Brahm Brahm 1) The dhãm of Bhagvãn. It is eternal, complete with all gun, luminous, and flawless. Also called Akshar, or Akshar-Brahm, or Akshardhãm. 2) Fourth of the five eternal entities, which transcends everything except Purushottam (jeev, ishvar, Mãyã, and Brahm, and Parbrahm). Tap to open in glossary → And only through upasana is the atma seen, Brahm Brahm 1) The dhãm of Bhagvãn. It is eternal, complete with all gun, luminous, and flawless. Also called Akshar, or Akshar-Brahm, or Akshardhãm. 2) Fourth of the five eternal entities, which transcends everything except Purushottam (jeev, ishvar, Mãyã, and Brahm, and Parbrahm). Tap to open in glossary → Brahm Brahm 1) The dhãm of Bhagvãn. It is eternal, complete with all gun, luminous, and flawless. Also called Akshar, or Akshar-Brahm, or Akshardhãm. 2) Fourth of the five eternal entities, which transcends everything except Purushottam (jeev, ishvar, Mãyã, and Brahm, and Parbrahm). Tap to open in glossary → It is like licking the sky with one's tongue for a hundred years, yet never tasting any sour or salty flavor. Similarly, without the upasana of the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Brahm Brahm 1) The dhãm of Bhagvãn. It is eternal, complete with all gun, luminous, and flawless. Also called Akshar, or Akshar-Brahm, or Akshardhãm. 2) Fourth of the five eternal entities, which transcends everything except Purushottam (jeev, ishvar, Mãyã, and Brahm, and Parbrahm). Tap to open in glossary → And as for the realization of the atma through seedless (nirbeej) Sankhya and Yoga mentioned in the scriptures, though it is written, we have never seen anyone achieve it. And in experience too, no such person comes into Maharaj's view. Who has become a siddha, and who has become a siddha in this way without the upasana of Maharaj, God. Dry... for example, there was Atmanand Swami. And Ramanand Swami went to him. Atmanand Swami was a believer in the formless (nirakarvadi). So, was he a siddha or not? He was indeed a siddha. Then why did Maharaj say that He has not seen any such person? So how should we understand this? From Maharaj's perspective, he is not a siddha. That is, it is not that he is not a siddha if he has achieved some spiritual state (siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → But he has performed some upasana of God. He must have chanted the name and such. And what is a dry Vedantin? There is neither name nor form. But if one has chanted the name, practiced Ashtanga Yoga, performed some upasana, but used that upasana to master this Ashtanga Yoga. Maharaj says some become siddhas and some become omniscient. But none of them achieve this without upasana. Upasana means service to God, devotion to God, nine types of devotion. The meaning of service is, without performing the nine types of devotion. Without that, no one achieves it. Even if someone is a believer in the formless, whoever they may be, if they exist, they too must have performed partial upasana, and only because of that is some siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → But without the upasana of God, no siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → If Ashtanga Yoga is mastered, then he is said to have become a siddha. So even that is so difficult that he has to take the support of Ishwar in it. But when he takes the support of Ishwar, how does he take that support in yoga? As a means (sadhan). As a means, not as the object of worship (upasya). As a means, meaning he did it halfway, and because of that, he gets whatever siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → But otherwise, if he does not take the support of this God at all, then by his own strength, no jiva can attain Ashtanga Yoga. That is what Maharaj says. If one chants the name or remembers God, but believes God to be formless, then he would not achieve any siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → He should not. He should not, indeed. Because he chants the name, there are two things in upasana. One is the eternally perfect form, and the other is His name. He chants that name. We... when we perform the upasana of Maharaj, what do we tell a devotee? We tell them to chant with a mala. That, "No, many people say this, and in all the disputes about upasana, they say that," "This one makes people meditate on this, and that one makes people meditate on that." What cannot happen? If we forbid it, what happens? Whose? Not to chant the name of the person. And not to meditate on Him, so that is where upasana comes in. His meditation, devotion, turning all these beads of the mala. So, whoever's name you chant, it means you are performing their upasana. Because you chant the name, a true dry Vedantin would not chant any name. He would not even take anyone's name. And yet he chants "Om, Om." Om is the name of God, so he gets some siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Wherever and in whatever place siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Even if it is in a dry Vedantin. And the siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Now, according to him, in the view of a dry Vedantin, whose name? No one's. And whose form? As for the form, we know that he believes it to be formless. He believes it to be formless, so it does not exist. But if he chants the name? So he is a half-dry Vedantin. And he gets siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → So based on that, he gets siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → So even if he has committed such a great betrayal as believing God to be formless, does he still get that much siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Even if he has committed the betrayal of believing God to be formless, the siddhi siddhi Wealth. Riches. The siddhi are shown to bhaktas on their way to Akshardhãm, to test their love for Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Only that He Himself does not become subservient to him. But God gives the fruit of whatever one does to everyone. If he chanted the name and performed upasana, would that go in vain? If we say, "He does not speak to me, so he should not get anything else," God does not think like that. "He should not get any other benefit either." Our benefit might not be obtained, but even what Vishwamangal Swami gives should not be obtained. So God does not think like that. God gives him the fruit of his actions according to justice and according to his actions. The fruit of actions. There are two parts to upasana: remembering the name and chanting the name, and believing God to have a form. Between these two, is there any difference of more or less, or primary and secondary, or are both considered equal? The form is primary. The name comes after the form. Secondary, and the name and all that... "I manifest name and form." "I manifest name and form." God said, "I manifest them to the world." But the name is secondary. The name can be anything. Just recently it was mentioned in that, in the Shree Shree 1) Name of Lakshmi. 2) Used before the names of Bhagvãn and devs to signify their high status. Tap to open in glossary → Yes, in the Shree Shree 1) Name of Lakshmi. 2) Used before the names of Bhagvãn and devs to signify their high status. Tap to open in glossary → Is it the well-known element among the five elements, or is it Parabrahm Paramatma? So, the signs of Parabrahm Paramatma are in it. His signs, such as having true resolves (satya satya Truth. Tap to open in glossary → But if its characteristics are like that, then it leads to that conclusion. One should not be misled by the name. One should not be misled by the name. One should be misled by the work. If there is a dispute in all our sampradays, is it not this? That, "In your Shikshapatri, it is written, 'I meditate on Shree Shree 1) Name of Lakshmi. 2) Used before the names of Bhagvãn and devs to signify their high status. Tap to open in glossary → Krishna Krishna 1) An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in the svarup of a cowherd. This is considered to be a greater avatãr than the others, as Shree Krishna possessed all of the powers of Bhagvãn, whereas other avatãrs possessed less power. Shree Krishna conveyed the message of love and humanity to the world. Also, He recited the epic poem, the Bhagvad Geetã, to Arjun in which He stated: ‘Whenever dharma declines and adharma increases, I shall incarnate myself as a human to save the holy, to destroy the sin of the sinner, and to establish dharma. I come into being from yug to yug’. 2) In the Vachanãmrut, Shreeji Mahãrãj also uses the name “Shree Krishna” to describe Bhagvãn Purushottam Nãrãyan. Tap to open in glossary → And it is said to meditate on Shree Shree 1) Name of Lakshmi. 2) Used before the names of Bhagvãn and devs to signify their high status. Tap to open in glossary → Krishna Krishna 1) An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in the svarup of a cowherd. This is considered to be a greater avatãr than the others, as Shree Krishna possessed all of the powers of Bhagvãn, whereas other avatãrs possessed less power. Shree Krishna conveyed the message of love and humanity to the world. Also, He recited the epic poem, the Bhagvad Geetã, to Arjun in which He stated: ‘Whenever dharma declines and adharma increases, I shall incarnate myself as a human to save the holy, to destroy the sin of the sinner, and to establish dharma. I come into being from yug to yug’. 2) In the Vachanãmrut, Shreeji Mahãrãj also uses the name “Shree Krishna” to describe Bhagvãn Purushottam Nãrãyan. Tap to open in glossary → murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Shree Shree 1) Name of Lakshmi. 2) Used before the names of Bhagvãn and devs to signify their high status. Tap to open in glossary → Krishna Krishna 1) An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in the svarup of a cowherd. This is considered to be a greater avatãr than the others, as Shree Krishna possessed all of the powers of Bhagvãn, whereas other avatãrs possessed less power. Shree Krishna conveyed the message of love and humanity to the world. Also, He recited the epic poem, the Bhagvad Geetã, to Arjun in which He stated: ‘Whenever dharma declines and adharma increases, I shall incarnate myself as a human to save the holy, to destroy the sin of the sinner, and to establish dharma. I come into being from yug to yug’. 2) In the Vachanãmrut, Shreeji Mahãrãj also uses the name “Shree Krishna” to describe Bhagvãn Purushottam Nãrãyan. Tap to open in glossary → Krishna Krishna 1) An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in the svarup of a cowherd. This is considered to be a greater avatãr than the others, as Shree Krishna possessed all of the powers of Bhagvãn, whereas other avatãrs possessed less power. Shree Krishna conveyed the message of love and humanity to the world. Also, He recited the epic poem, the Bhagvad Geetã, to Arjun in which He stated: ‘Whenever dharma declines and adharma increases, I shall incarnate myself as a human to save the holy, to destroy the sin of the sinner, and to establish dharma. I come into being from yug to yug’. 2) In the Vachanãmrut, Shreeji Mahãrãj also uses the name “Shree Krishna” to describe Bhagvãn Purushottam Nãrãyan. Tap to open in glossary → AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details