Even in the mind, it separates the body and the soul. 'Satyam jnanam anantam' is the original form, and the indweller is the original form of God. While words like 'narakruti purush purush 1) An akshar-mukta selected by Akshar-Brahm to ‘impregnate’ Prakruti for the creation process, from which countless pairs of Pradhãn and Purush are formed for the creation and sustenance of each brahmãnd. 2) Purush half of the Pradhãn-Purush pair, ‘conceived’ by Mul-Purush and Mul-Prakruti for the creation and sustenance of each brahmãnd. 3) Taken to be masculine in nature, Purush is the controller of Prakruti, and is also distinct from her. He is indivisible, without a beginning, and without an end. He is self-luminous, omniscient, imperishable, satya, kshetragna, and the cause of all the activities that possess a form. He also has a divya body. 4) Also called Mahã-Purush, Mul-Purush or Akshar- Purush. Tap to open in glossary → vidhah', 'ojvalya', 'saundarya' etc. are descriptive of form, the form is indicated by them. Thus, both are shown separately, but Maharaj's belief is not like that. Looking at the entire Vachanamrut, Maharaj has shown the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → of God as the ultimate form or shape of God, but has not shown anything separate from the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → . If you say 'swarup', it is still the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → , and if you describe the form, it is still the same God, and if you describe the form, it is still the same. If you say the body of God, it is still the same, and if you say the soul of that body, it is still the same. Unlike the jiva, such a division of body and soul is not possible in Him. Though it may be possible in the jiva. In Vachanamrut Gadhada I-1, Maharaj says that there is no spiritual endeavor more difficult than keeping the mind's focus constantly on the form of God. And for a person whose mind's focus remains constantly on the form of God, no greater attainment than that has been described in the scriptures. Because the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → of God is like a wish-fulfilling gem. Therefore, the word 'swarup' is used for the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → , and the word 'murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → ' is used as a synonym for 'swarup'. That means Maharaj has used both as one and the same. First, he talked about the swarup. How to keep the mind's focus on the form of God? How? If there is no physical center, if it is not in the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → , even more than physical, if it is not in the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → , then how to keep the mind's focus? That can be analyzed with the intellect. That which is not a physical object can be analyzed. But how to keep the mind's focus and meditate on it? Therefore, for Maharaj, the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → and the swarup are both one and the same. Thus, he has used both words for one entity. Therefore, the word 'swarup' is used for the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → , and the word 'murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → ' is used as a synonym for 'swarup', but no distinction has been made between them. Similarly, in Vachanamrut Gadhada I-15 as well, 'murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → ' and 'swarup' are used as synonyms for each other. In Vachanamrut Gadhada I-32 as well, the 'nest in the form of God's swarup' and the 'nest in the form of God's murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → ' are used in the same sense. Thus, in Maharaj's view, there is no concept of any separation between the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → and the swarup. Wherever Maharaj has used the term 'swarup of God' in the Vachanamrut, he has used it only in the sense and context of the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → of God. Not only that, but nowhere in the Vachanamrut is it described that 'this is the swarup and this form is different from it'. On the contrary, in Kariyani 8, it is clarified that describing God as subtler than the subtle and grosser than the gross is actually some extraordinary divine power of God. Then which should be understood as the original form? Maharaj says that the human-like murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → of Maharaj, which is three and a half cubits, is the original form. There is a cause. The saints have called it the causal form. There is the theory of cause, isn't there? Vedanta is all about the cause, and it struggles there. 'Yato va imani bhutani jayante' (From whom all these beings are born). So, 'imani bhutani kasmat jayante' (from what are these beings born)? From this swarup. That is His extraordinary divine power. During the time of dissolution, God absorbs the fifty-crore-yojan yojan Measure of distance equalling four gãus (approximately 3- 4 miles). Tap to open in glossary → Earth into His belly. And at the time of creation, He manifests those infinite crores of universes from His belly. Such is the extraordinary nature of God. If there is a banyan seed, even if the banyan tree covers an acre, the entire banyan tree is contained in one seed, contained in a seed as small as a mustard seed. That is the extraordinary nature of the cause of Maharaj. One should not ask how God does that. Otherwise, Maharaj says, even Brahma and others got confused. If Brahma and others think, 'How does God do this?' Then Maharaj says they get lost in maya. If they accept that since He is God, He is all-powerful and so He must be doing it, then Maharaj says they have crossed maya. Because the intellect cannot reach God. Only faith and belief can reach Him. And only through belief is He the Supreme Soul. After that, if one keeps belief, God will show him, 'Look, I am like this.' God Himself reveals His swarup, saying, 'By My grace, you will see My swarup as it is.' But first, keep belief. Keep belief and extreme trust in God, that God exists. That is why it is said in the Vedas, 'Tarko apratishthah' (logic is inconclusive). In the form of God, inference and direct perception do not work. No decision based on that. Decision based on what? Scriptural. The decision about God is to be made based on the Upanishads. And in the Upanishads too, the decision about the form of God is to be made by the principle of all branches (sarva-shakha-nyaya). It is not that if one branch says this, then another branch says that. By the principle of all branches, meaning by analyzing everything, a conclusion is to be drawn. So we have to look at all the Vachanamruts. Where has it been said like this, and what has been said about Maharaj's swarup. Based on that, we have to decide. And that itself is Maharaj's decision based on the Vachanamrut. Shikshapatri and Vachanamrut. On the contrary, in Kariyani 8, it is clarified that describing God as subtler than the subtle and grosser than the gross is actually some extraordinary divine power of God. Then which should be understood as the original form? Maharaj says that the human-like murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → of Maharaj, which is three and a half cubits, is the original form. Beyond this, there is nothing else, nor is there anything else to be understood; this is clearly mentioned. That is why the saints sang sang Company. Association. (pronounced sung) Tap to open in glossary → , 'Karan rup rup A sight. One of the panch-vishays. Rup is the physical element of tej, and is perceived by the eyes. Rup reveals the appearance of all objects, and resides in all objects in a small form, and changes as objects change. Tap to open in glossary → kahave Dharmasut, karan rup rup A sight. One of the panch-vishays. Rup is the physical element of tej, and is perceived by the eyes. Rup reveals the appearance of all objects, and resides in all objects in a small form, and changes as objects change. Tap to open in glossary → kahave' (The son of Dharma Dharma 1) Universal law or principle that 'sustains' or 'upholds' the entire world. Righteousness, morality, religion, Tap to open in glossary → is called the causal form). God Himself is the cause. And the entire Vedanta, the Vedanta scripture, the Shariraka Mimamsa, analyzes only the cause. And yet, in the end, it stops by saying 'neti neti neti neti Indescribable. Incomprehensible. Beyond words. Tap to open in glossary → ' (not this, not this). One who knows Him 'na bibheti kutashchana' (does not fear anything). 'Yato vacho nivartante aprapya manasa saha' (From where speech returns along with the mind, without reaching Him). So, one who knows Him in this way 'na bibheti kutashchana'. He then fears no one, not even time. It does not mean not fearing humans. One must fear God's sadhu. It came earlier, didn't it? Fear, fear and fearlessness. Where did it come in the Vachanamrut? It came in the Vachanamrut. When does one become fearless? In the 15th Vachanamrut. When is one truly brave? When one conquers the senses. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. 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