2. Just as the Chintamani jewel is not beautiful, Bhagwan and the Sadhu may appear human, but they are divine and benevolent, and the human body is a Chintamani. Swami said that just as the Chintamani jewel is not beautiful, Bhagwan and the Sadhu may appear human. What does divine mean, brother? 3. Bharatbhai, what does divine mean? We should not assume anything physical like this. The rules and principles of physics in this world are all beyond them; they do something new and different, that is divine. 4. What do you say, Rohitbhai? Divine means unique, something that is not here. For example, Devalok is not here, but it is different, divine. If it is Devalok, is it called divine? 5. Divine, divine land, it became divine. What is divine called, brother? Divine means they have a connection with Bhagwan. 6. The connection with Bhagwan is called divine. If there are other gods and goddesses, they are not divine. That mic, time overtakes it, it has a connection with time, of time. 7. Except for Bhagwan's Akshardham, everywhere else has a connection with time. Where time prevails, there is its connection. It is destined to be destroyed. 8. The meaning of divine is a connection with Bhagwan. Once there is a connection with Bhagwan, it is not destroyed. Bhagwan said in the Gita, 'Deha vikram nashvasti pratyavayo na vidyate' (The body is perishable, but there is no loss of effort). 9. If there is a connection with Bhagwan, time cannot destroy it. That which time can destroy is not called divine. All of that is called maik (related to Maya). 10. That which time cannot destroy, like our jivatma, time cannot destroy it, so it is called divine. But it is not called divine because until there is a connection with Bhagwan. It is called nitya (eternal) but not divine. 11. What is the difference between nitya and divya divya Divine. Tap to open in glossary → 12. I am also not divine; only Bhagwan is divine. All those who have a connection with Bhagwan are divine. If the muktas (liberated souls) have a connection with Bhagwan, they are all divine. 13. If any jivatma gets a connection with Bhagwan, meaning takes refuge, then it is divine. Maya is also Bhagwan's shakti. It is just shakti. 14. So it is not divine. Time destroys Maya. So time should not be able to destroy it. 15. Maya exists, but time destroys the works of Maya. Maya created this, but then it gets destroyed. So it is no longer divine. 16. Why? Divine. And that which time cannot destroy and has a connection with Bhagwan, then it is called divine. 17. Yes. Even if time destroys it, if it has a connection with Bhagwan, it is divine. Yes. 18. People are all mortal. Bhagwan's devotees in this world are mortal. So time has destroyed them. 19. But still, they have a connection with Bhagwan, so they are called divine. Maharaj says that Bhagwan's devotees should be understood as the very murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → 20. And that which time does not destroy is called nitya. But not divine. Because if it is a jivatma, time cannot destroy it. 21. But if it has not formed a connection with Bhagwan, it is not called divine. If a connection with Bhagwan is formed, and even if it is perishable, it is divine. For example, when we go to Dada Khachar's darbar and see all of Maharaj's prasad items, what do we call them? 22. Divine. So are they indestructible? They can burn. 23. The haveli in Junagadh burned down. There were so many prasad items of Maharaj in it. So they were destroyed. 24. So even though it was destroyed, it is called divine. Because it has a connection with Bhagwan. So only that which has a connection with Bhagwan is called divine. 25. Then even a perishable object can have a connection with Bhagwan. And an eternal object can also have a connection with Bhagwan. When a connection with Bhagwan is formed, then it becomes divine. 26. Otherwise, it remains nitya but does not become divine. So it is written here that Bhagwan's Sadhu may appear human, but they are divine. So what does that mean? 27. They have a connection with Bhagwan. So they have a connection with Bhagwan. They have firm refuge in Bhagwan. 28. A Haribhagat is indeed called divine. One who has taken firm refuge is called divine. If the refuge is less, then it is less divine. 29. Through refuge, a connection with Bhagwan is formed. The nature of the jiva is blissful and happy. Even without a connection with Bhagwan, it is happy. 30. Happy, yes. So it is not divine. It is not unhappy. 31. So it is not called divine. Happiness does not come from a connection with Bhagwan. But there is no unhappiness. 32. If one is a kaivalyarthi and has transcended Maya and is free from birth and death, then they have no unhappiness. All unhappiness is filled in Maya, all happiness is filled in Bhagwan. This is neutral. It gets what it connects with. 33. If it connects with Maya, it gets unhappiness. If it connects with Bhagwan, it gets happiness. If it connects nowhere, it remains as it is. 34. That is called a kaivalyarthi. Its happiness is that it does not have to come under the grip of time, it does not have to die and be born repeatedly, so it is considered happy. That you... 35. ...are lifting and you have lifted, say, 20 kg of weight. Then you put it down and get tired. So what do you say? 36. That, 'Ah, I feel so much relief.' But that is not happiness. AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. 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