Swaminarayan Hare, Swaminarayan Hare. Swami has spoken, and "Which state is first absorbed for a yogi yogi 1) A person who has mastered the art of yog. 2) A person who has attained siddh-dashã and other extraordinary powers. Tap to open in glossary → The answer to that question is: if one meditates on Shri Hari Hari An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in His four-armed svarup to save an elephant from being killed by a crocodile. He cut off the crocodile’s head with His chakra. Tap to open in glossary → then first the physical is destroyed, and then the subtle and causal are destroyed. Understand the same for the subtle and causal. There is an example. Just as if the branches and leaves of a tree are repeatedly cut, then the middle trunk slowly dries up. And if it is cut from the trunk, then the trunk and branches dry up. And if it is cut from the root, then the middle and branches dry up. Know the states to be like that. If control is gained over any one state, then all others are controlled. If even the physical body is controlled in devotion to God, then those other two are also controlled. If the subtle body is controlled, then also those other two are controlled. And if the causal body is controlled, then also. Whichever body it is, it should be completely absorbed in God, completely. Then the others will fade away on their own. In the same way, it was for the three gunas. If there are three gunas, and if even in rajoguna, through the medium of rajoguna, one connects with God, then its causal and that other tamoguna gets absorbed. It goes away, like that. One should connect somewhere through at least one guna. By listening to the spiritual discourses of Shri Hari Hari An avatãr of Bhagvãn. He incarnated in His four-armed svarup to save an elephant from being killed by a crocodile. He cut off the crocodile’s head with His chakra. Tap to open in glossary → one should practice contemplation and profound meditation intensely. And no matter how great a position one has attained, if one has a vision of ever-increasing understanding, then he is not bound by any divine powers, and great greatness comes to him. On one hand, there is listening, contemplation, and profound meditation on God's murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → And on the other hand, there is listening, contemplation, and profound meditation on God's spiritual discourses. The profound meditation is equal for both. So, which one is considered superior? One who contemplates and meditates on spiritual discourses. Even more than God's murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Why? There are chances of obstacles coming. This has fewer chances. Firmness comes through understanding. What do you say? If one has the practice of God's spiritual discourses, then that is more superior. Since Swamiji said it, then you said it. That is why Maharaj said that one whose mind is extremely attached to God, for him, if an occasion of spiritual discourse arises, then it is as if nothing has happened. Why did Maharaj not say there that if an occasion of meditation arises, then it is as if nothing has happened to him? Why did He not say so? Otherwise, compared to spiritual discourses, is meditation greater or are spiritual discourses greater? Meditation. In that way, meditation seems greater. Even then, why did Maharaj not say so? It is said in the 29th Vachanamrut, right? In the 29th Vachanamrut of Madhya, Maharaj said that one whose mind is extremely attached to the form of God, what are his characteristics like? So, what characteristics were mentioned in it? Extreme attachment to the form of God, does that mean extreme attachment to God's murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → In the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → So, this is called exercising the brain. Maharaj said that we are telling the characteristics of one whose mind is extremely attached to God's murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → And then He mentioned the characteristics. And what characteristics did He mention? If God's discourse arises, even if he is tired. No matter how long a journey he has traveled, even if he is extremely tired, due to illness. even if he is surrounded by illness, even then, if an occasion of God's spiritual discourse arises, then it is as if he feels no fatigue at all. And no matter how much insult he has faced, is that right? Even if someone has teased us thoroughly. And then if we sit in the discourse? Does the discourse feel superficial or do we find interest in the discourse? So then, in the discourse, he gets attached, right? And no matter how surrounded he is by worldly affairs, even then, in God's discourse... so is that attachment to the discourse or attachment to the form? In what is that attachment said to be? In the form of God. It is said to be in the form of God itself, it is His discourse. It is attachment to the discourse, right? What if there is attachment to delivering the discourse? In the discourse... attachment to the discourse, does that mean in listening or in delivering? In listening. Rushi Rushi A sage. A tyãgi who performs severe tap and dhyãn. The Veds were revealed by Brahmã to rushis. Tap to open in glossary → He was saying something but like that, muted... So, attachment to delivering the discourse or attachment to listening? And attachment to the form or attachment to the discourse? Attachment to the discourse is attachment to the form. And attachment to the form is? It cannot be said to be in the discourse. That is why it is written in the talks of Gunatitanand Swami, that even if one is completely connected to the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → even then, what is to be understood, if that is not understood, then it is considered that much incomplete. So, is there something else to be understood other than connecting to the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → Is there something even more to be understood than connecting to the murti murti 1) Sacred idol of Bhagvãn used to offer worship. There are eight types of murtis that can be worshipped: stone, wood, metal, earth, engraved or drawn, sand, gems, and mental. 2) The form of Bhagvãn. Tap to open in glossary → So, see, all the great sadhus... Jay Swaminarayan. Yes, Jay Swaminarayan. To confirm this point, our Abhaysinh Bapu of Lojika was meditating, and the sadhus came, and he came down a bit from meditation, then Swami spoke such words, that "If you also sit in the spiritual discourses, then your meditation will last." Like that... "We have not come here to take your food... or because you are a great darbar, we have not come here for that; you sit here in the discourse." Only Gunatitanand Swami can say that, no one else can say that. Because in discourses, we might feel, is there a difference between one discourse and another? Those sadhus went to travel in the villages, So, the devotees were probably not coming to the discourses. They were probably not coming, so they asked, "Why are you not coming to the discourses?" They replied, "Swami, some work..." Work is always kept early. That is never going to end, no one's work has ever ended, please come. So, the devotee also said very gently, that "Swami, previously when there were great sadhus, we used to come to them, and we would not listen to the discourse but just sit, even then, the world would become separate from our hearts. And now, if we sit in your discourse, we get confused lately. That is why we do not come." So, there is a difference in discourses. But what Maharaj has spoken, the Vachanamrut, that is indeed a discourse, in fact. The Vachanamrut, that is indeed God's discourse; the sadhus have written literally what Maharaj spoke as a discourse. There is nothing else. So, God's such discourse, Gunatitanand Swami said that "There is discourse in these four places. In four places, there is disregard for maya. And in four places, there is celibacy. And in four places..." He mentioned four things, in three or four places. He gave only one answer to all of them. "In Badrikashram, in Shvetdvip, in Akshardham, and here with the great Ekantik Sadhu." If there is refutation of worldly desires, if that is there, then it can be somewhat called a spiritual discourse. If one just keeps exaggerating worldly desires, then that discourse... Maharaj said here that one who has attachment to spiritual discourses, such a discourse, that feels bitter to everyone, right? If one gets attached to that, then the element of maya is removed from his heart. If only pleasant, smooth talks are held, then what purification do we get from that? No purification happens in us. So, it is said that... Swami, Gunatitanand Swami said that there is discourse in only four places, so what are we doing then? Are we not doing any other discourse? So, he did not take that into account, that "Brother, discourses are held in four places, and at the fifth place, it has also started in Hyderabad," like that. Did he not take note of us at all, or what? If there is refutation of worldly desires, if there is refutation of the world, if the world is somewhat removed from our hearts, if there is attachment to such a discourse, then that is attachment to the discourse, that brings about attachment to God. If it is just any discourse, discourse in the name of discourse, then does that bring about attachment to God or not, that is considered a bit doubtful. So, one has to keep some discrimination in that. Attachment to the discourse is fine. Attachment to the discourse, more than attachment to the form of God, AI translation of the Gujarati transcript above, produced in the same pass that transcribed the audio, one English segment per Gujarati segment. Devotional and technical terms with no precise English equivalent (kirtan, satsang, vasana, samskara, and similar) are kept as their plain transliteration rather than force-translated. Not human-proofread., AI-translated, unverified · Source details