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Is achieving the goal important or desiring the goal | P. Mahant Swami | Satsang Chintan

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Of vedan, of bhakti.

Vedan means to know, so by knowing

To know means Maharaj took bhakti in this, Maharaj took bhakti and in the scriptures too, bhakti is taken. And jijnasa.

Yes, so from jijnasa, does vedan increase from jijnasa or does jijnasa increase from vedan?

It's not really about whether vedan increases from jijnasa or jijnasa increases from vedan.

Both should go hand in hand.

There should be jijnasa.

If jijnasa is strong and there is no need for vedan to increase, but if one doesn't apply it,

then vedan will not increase.

If one just talks about 'I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that,' then no action will take place.

Did jijnasa become the priority?

It's not a priority, it's a primary importance.

Primary importance means the starting point begins from there.

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It doesn't happen directly like that.

Without this, it cannot happen.

But it's not that without this, it cannot happen, so this is everything, the all-in-all.

The all-in-all is that.

To have a desire and to do bhakti.

Without desire, how can bhakti happen?

If nothing arises in one's mind, like 'I will please God, I will do devotion to God,' then when will they do it?

But someone had a desire, and the desire is bursting forth.

I'll do this, I'll do that, I'll do this, I'll do that, but they don't do anything.

Then whose priority is that called?

The importance is of the complete fruit that comes.

Both of these are interconnected, and only when both are together does the complete fruit come.

That's what they believe.

If there is devotion with dharma, then it becomes fruitful.

If there is devotion without dharma, it will not yield fruit.

Bhakti is what gives fruit.

It's not desire.

Does bhakti happen first or does desire happen first?

How can devotion happen without desire?

Bhakti happens, then they say to God

If there's any such thing, show me that bhakti happens without desire.

Knowledge, desire for knowledge, treatment

Desire for knowledge, desire for knowledge, effort.

Effort, desire for knowledge, action.

Or desire for knowledge, effort.

So, that's the whole rule of nature that has been stated.

The rule of nature is stated.

That first there is knowledge, then desire arises, and then action comes.

Then action comes.

Knowledge-desire-action or knowledge-desire-effort, like that.

So, action means devotion.

Before that, desire must arise.

And before that, knowledge means glory.

If there is no glory, how can desire arise?

So first, one knows it, and what one knows is called 'apat'.

That is called 'apat gnan' (incidental knowledge).

So, when did that Brahma jijnasa (desire to know Brahman) arise in him?

From Purva Mimamsa and Apat Gnan.

From incomplete knowledge, jijnasa arises.

If there is complete knowledge, then jijnasa does not arise.

If he has attained devotion, then there is no need for any other jijnasa.

So, if there is incidental knowledge,

that means it's called incomplete knowledge.

But he should know that his knowledge is incomplete.

Only then will he have curiosity.

And if he realizes that his knowledge is complete, then it won't happen.

So, from incidental knowledge, then curiosity arises.

My, in this, everyone is doing good things, so let's go that way.

So, he becomes curious.

And when curiosity arises, then action comes.

So, action does not come without desire, this is a natural rule.

So you are saying that if desire comes first, then desire comes first.

And only then does action happen.

Then effort happens, then action happens, that's how it is.

Even then, what?

The main thing is action.

Even then, action is primary.

Don't get too puffed up with desire.

I had a very good desire.

These people say that no, that low standard, meaning they set very high goals, arrange ideals, but there is no application.

Ideals can be such that they tear apart the universe, but if one doesn't apply anything, then

Is it just the glory of ideals?

They set very high goals.

Did you make a high goal or a low goal?

Sir, what did he say?

How big is the goal made?

Something that no one can lift.

So, is making a goal important, or how many percentage of goals do people make?

3%.

3%.

So if we come into that?

And we have already arrived.

Because it's made.

It didn't come in that.

We achieve that goal when we complete it.

So, is it the importance of setting a goal or the importance of achieving a goal?

To complete.

And if one doesn't even desire, doesn't even set a goal, then whose importance is it?

Effort.

So, the importance of setting a goal is 5%, and completing it is 95%.

Otherwise, it's zero, yes.

It only takes five minutes to set a goal.

Then, even if one keeps taking limbas (a type of fruit) for the whole life, will it be completed or not?

Yes.

Find two or three good links from YouTube and videos, from Google, about what kind of goals should be good.

Suppose you want to write an essay, then which words are good?

All the good words that are there, they all give related ones.

That my mother is barren.

So, all that happens with goals.

If there is no action, then my mother is barren, that's what happens to her.

Just setting goals is curiosity, it's desiring.

What's the meaning of setting a goal?

That there is a desire to achieve it.

We are going to do something.

So, he has a desire to do something.

But if he doesn't do it till the end, then its importance.

So, action is important.

Knowing, devotion, that has importance.

That one's importance is not there.

Not important doesn't mean it's not important at all.

In comparison to this, it is secondary.

So, in comparison to devotion, dharma is secondary.

But it doesn't work without dharma, there's an interconnection.

Devotion without dharma cannot yield fruit.

That's how it is.

If one has high ideals or goals but doesn't apply them accordingly, is the reason called negligence or something else?

Its reason has to be found from within, what is its cause.

Either the intention itself is wrong.

Or there is laziness, or ego of the body.

Or he might not have found a platform.

One should look for a platform, right? If you want to achieve your goal, you should look for a platform.

That my goal, I have a strong desire, I have a strong desire, but even if I get a platform, I don't take it.

Then how will his goal be completed?

So, to complete a goal, 50 things are needed.

When all those things are there, Maharaj says, if there is a cart, it's not just a cart; it needs a yoke, wheels, bullocks, many things are needed to complete a goal.

One should have the courage to complete all of that and one should have that thing of their own.

There should be a child.

Then his goal is completed.

If it's not completed, some remain incomplete, some become broken, some become broken, what's the reason for that?

It's not that he didn't do it.

He did it.

But how does that goal get completed?

He should also know that.

One should ask someone who has completed a goal.

Brother, how did you do it?

Like that.

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